My first DIY modules - starting a Kosmo format build

Got the new line driver IC’s today…swapped them…and…same behavior.

So…good news I apparently didn’t damage them. Bad news…I wasted money trying to replace them and it’s looking like the DAC is the problem :frowning: So basically no chance of having this going this weekend. And I have to buy a new DAC.

The real kick in the teeth…figured this gives me an excuse to order bits I need for @analogoutput’s gate grinder and quantitizer since they boards are sitting here waiting for me. Except…the DAC for that is backordered at Digikey :frowning:

Yeah…that’s kind of how my week has been. Oh well. Maybe I’ll try reflowing the DAC tomorrow in hopes it could be that simple…

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Went ahead and broke out the hot air…reflowed the dac…looked worse after reflowing…got out the scope and iron and touched it up. Tried again. Still no love. So…guess it’s good I placed that digikey order.

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Sigh. Just not my week.

Figured with the sequencer interface held up I may try and build an analog sequencer for kicks and to tide me over. Except…I don’t have enough diodes to build Sam’s design :frowning: Well, I’m pretty sure one of those IC’s I ordered but can’t remember what they were for was the decade counter for a baby 8…so I can probably get one of those together. No…apparently not. Either I didn’t order one after all or I managed to transpose some numbers. I don’t have a 4017 after all…I do have a 4071 and no idea what I planned on doing with it though so…yeah probably swapped some numbers around when ordering.

Oh well. It was probably best that I took a weekend off from building anyway. I have tendonosis (the chronic form of tendonitis) in my right wrist and it’s been flaring up the past week or so leaving me having to wear a wrist brace to work. Turning a screwdriver to install modules is completely impossible right now as a result. So a few days with no CAD, no strip board layouts, and no soldering is probably for the best.

But just to top it all off…checked the status of my Digikey order which was placed 4 days ago - Friday the 2nd. It didn’t ship until Sunday the 4th. Which is oddly slow for Digikey. And even more odd USPS is saying it won’t be here until Friday :frowning: Usually DK orders show up 2 or maybe 3 days after I place them. To have to wait a full week is crazy unusual. Would have just ordered from Mouser - shipping is a few bucks more but they’ve been super quick to ship for me lately.

Still - making some slow progress. Wrist felt better tonight so broke out the iron and started on my last LMNK board set. The Quad VCA is almost done. Just have to finish the board interconnects and jacks. But I’ll save those for tomorrow so I can savor it :smiley:

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A few of those diodes are optional:

Also this raises stuff about the diodes! all of the diodes attached to the jacks, dont need to be there. they are there just incase sometimes you plug it into stuff that it dont play nice with. or the switches may trigger things they arent supposed to. if you aint bothered, you dont have to bother with them!

But yeah, a hundred 1n4148 diodes from Tayda is a dollar well spent.

You could use it in a Gate Grinder!

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Ah! That was probably what I ordered it for then. Figured I was thinking about some kind of logic module but I do have a gate grinder waiting to be built. Though I think there may be a few other little bits I’m still waiting on for it.

Oh - and my bad luck continued last night. Turns out I only had 2 nice SPDT switches and a bag of 20 from Amazon. The 20 from Amazon are ok but not nearly as nice as the ones from Tayda…and they’re just slightly offsized enough they don’t quite fit into the PCB’s. Two of them broke trying to get them in…and 2 more broke when I tried to gently bend their terminals slightly to help them fit. So…I’m 2 SPDT’s short of completing the Quad VCA. Oh well, more on order but yet another speed bump!

As for the Diodes…I actually had quite a few 1n4148’s…both on hand before I started building and more I ordered from Tayda. But seem to be going through them quicker than anticipated so while I do have quite a few on hand…it’s not enough to tackle the sequencer. Yeah…some could be left out…but I tend to prefer playing it safe since I’m generally good and finding ways to plug things into things in ways that they don’t play nice :smiley:

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I’ve been meaning to ask, what do you mean by LMNK?

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Look Mum No Kangaroo ?
Look Mun No Kosmo :grin:

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That my brain has a hard time telling C from K :man_facepalming: :laughing:

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Finally some progress!

Got the new DAC for the sequencer in the mail today (along with a bunch of diodes and some 4017’s so I could work on some other sequencers this weekend in case this failed.) and had just enough time to swap it in before the end of my lunch break.

And it works:

Not sure if I killed the DAC with the reversed cable or some other way…but apparently I did kill it.

Still a lot to do before I can really play with it. I need to calibrate the outputs on the analog output board. And I need to connect up the digital output board and make a panel for it so I can get some gates/triggers/clocks from the sequencer as well. And I need to make a case for the new power supply for the sequencer and get it and the processor board, and midi i/o boards, and the line driver output board mounted to the sequencer chassis somehow. But it’s working which is a huge relief and has me hyped about moving forward again!

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Oh - and if you watch the video you’ll probably see that apparently years of radios have my brain also confusing F and C as well as C and K. Maybe I just don’t like C’s.

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Well…made some progress. Kind of.

Made up a cable to hook my digital out board up. It looks like the change from a 5 pin header to a 10 pin header just doubled all the connections:

The new style board is in the top image - the lower image is the older style board that I have. (I just realized that’s kind of confusing. By top image I mean the window that was on top when I took the screen shot…but in the image it’s actually the lower part of the image. So to clarify the old style I have is the 5pin J1 and the new style is the 10 pin J1)

And the header this connects to on the line driver receiver (J8/9) is the same:

Oh…wait…

See. This. This is why I love sharing my progress or lack thereof in forums. I just found the problem. The pins on J8/9 aren’t just two copies of the same pins like I had thought. I hadn’t actually looked at the schematic for the aout…I just looked at the wiring diagram above for the dout and saw that the two columns on J1 where the same (though looking closer now I see that I missed that the 3th row isn’t the same it’s S1 and S0)

I had my digital out board plugged into the J8 side (next to the key in the housing) and it needed to be in the J9 side (away from the key in the housing.)

So…with that fixed…I now have working gates! Which. Kind of spoils this post because that first line I typed above is a lot less exciting than it should be now :smiley:

Anyway - until I posted this I had my dout board wired up but I wasn’t getting any gate signals.

I did rig up a cord to let me adjust the trimpots on the analog output:

And I got CV1 dialed in pretty well. There’s a bit of non-linearity in the DAC so 1v is a little shy and 8v is a little high. There’s apparently a way to adjust for that in the sequencer but the menu is a bit cryptic and the manual doesn’t really explain it. So I’ll have to do further research to figure that out.

But I also got my keyboard hooked up to the sequencer over midi and was able to configure the midi router in sequencer to pass that through to CV1 as well:

And using the octave jumps on the keyboard I confirmed that I am getting 1v/oct shifts as expected!

Though - it also seems that the tracking on my LMNC 1222 is WAY off because it’s responding more like 1v/semitone. My first module the avalanche VCO is responding much better. Guess I have to work on the tuning of the 1222 more as I seem to have something way jacked up on there.

Note - this is something I HATE about this room/house. Our house is pretty small. It was originally about 750sqft but the previous owner added this room, a laundry room and a dining room on the back. There are things I really like about this property (like the commercial oven, my stand-alone office/shot, the outside kitchen and various patios…) but the house itself I was never big on. My wife however loved it. And since it did have a separate office and at the time I worked from home I was willing to overlook how small the house itself was and the lack of a garage.

But - the point is this room was an addition. The wall behind my modular was the original back room of the house. So when the previous owner built this room he didn’t run any outlets to that half of the room. They’re all on the wall behind my computer. So between computer, radios, 3d printer, lights and other things I have VERY few outlets in this room. And none of them are near the modular.

Thankfully the long cord between the sequencer and the output module(s) helps…but I really need to finish the new power supply for the sequencer so I can just use an extension cord and put the sequencer on top of the modular where I can work on both at once easier. Though…it is kind of fun being almost completely surrounded by the setup :smiley:

Here’s the modular with the output module sitting on top since I’m working on calibrating it:

So…I only have one gate wired up right now. Which means tomorrow I NEED to get a panel for those made up and mounted. Plus wire up the other 4 CV’s on the module I have made. I don’t think I’m going to wire up the bipolar option for now…turns out there’s a mistake in the circuit and the voltage output in bi-polar mode is about half what it’s supposed to be. The originally designer didn’t notice because he just used it for his own filter which expected the lower voltage. And since I don’t have anything that needs bi-polar…for now I’m just not going to wire up the switches.

I had planned on finishing this post only half happy with my situation - I had CV working, but tracking on my 1222 wasn’t right and I had no gates which was a serious limitation. But - as you saw at the start of the post making the post solved the gate issue. So I just spent 20 minutes playing with the setup and enjoying a giant smile on my face with all of the parts interacting like they should!

Now it’s just a matter of doing some calibration, some more wiring, a bit more printing to get the gates/triggers/clocks moutned…and then some more calibration. But it looks like tomorrow sometime I should finally have enough setup I can start to have some real fun with this :smiley:

Then I need to make some hard decisions about a case for the sequencer and the power supply for it…

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"Finally some progress "

About time @juggle! We’re all wondering what’s taking you so long! Even @Dud is looking more productive. Pick up the pace man!

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Almost as soon as I laid down to sleep last night it hit me.

The tracking on my 1222 isn’t way out. It was my mistake. I was using the CV jack instead of the 1v/oct jack.

Tried it again this morning in the 1v/oct jack and its much better :smiley: I do seem to have the 1222 tuned a few octaves too high though. So still need to make some adjustments. But highest priority for me today is designing a new panel for gates/triggers/clocks - just having a hard time getting motivated to jump into CAD. I’m also debating if I want to add LED’s on the gates or not. Ok…I know I want to…just debating how and if I want to do it now or later. Will probably skip it for now and come back and add them later.

Speaking of LED’s. My clock divider /8 is acting up again :frowning: Last week it died completely. I swapped out the 2n2904 on that channel and it came back. Checked the board again and can’t see any errors or iffy joints or bridges or anything else. So figured it was just unhappy from my initial mistake and that the transistor had been damaged but took a bit to completely die. Except now a week after that /8 is out again. So…there must be a deeper problem I’m missing. Going to have to look into that.

And - my LMNC buffered multiple is also having an issue. The LED on the top half stopped working. The multiple itself still seems to be working…just the LED isn’t lighting up. So I need to pull that out and see what’s up.

Right now these LED’s are kind of important for me. Not just for debugging when there is/isn’t a signal…but also because the modular is visible behind me when I’m in video conferences for work - so having a lot of blinky lights going back there is a bit of a bonus :smiley:

Alright. Going to finish some coffee and fire up CAD.

Oh - also going to be re-teaching myself ki-cad. Got another while hair earlier this week and ordered some blank copper PCBs, after seeing some info on using SLA resin as resist. I haven’t bothered trying to etch my own PCB’s in years. Never had much luck with toner transfer, ink/tape was just too clunky for my skills, and UV resist was too pricey. But being able to “print” resist with my resin printer…that is intriguing. And found a roll of UV resist film for cheap as well so figured I may as well give it all a try again. I actually still have some blank boards here somewhere but last time I dug them out they were pretty oxidized and I don’t feel like trying to clean them that much before use. With so many cheap options for professionally made boards I didn’t think I’d be wanting to make my own again anytime soon…but…I’m a bit impatient sometimes and waiting a week or so for boards can be annoying. And I don’t like having to order 5 minimum for a test board that may or may not work and which I only need 1 and may not find 4 other people who want the others. So…thought it may be fun to try etching some of my own again.

Like I need another offshoot hobby :smiley:

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Another thought for the day…

Why does my keylab 49 run fine off of USB 5v…but the power jack for external power is 9v.

So if I want to power it off the same 5v supply I’m building for the sequencer I have to do it over USB instead of through it’s external power jack. I could use USB jacks to power the sequencer as well…but…it can’t be the same USB I use for data when connecting it to the computer because that USB goes through the STM disco boards regulator which can’t handle the current the full sequencer needs. So I don’t really plan on using USB to power the sequencer since it would need two usb cables one which is a non-standard power only cable and that’s just a confusing mess. Ugh…No clean solutions here to power the sequencer and keylab at the same time from the same power source.

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Spent most of the day just playing with this now that it’s coming together than building :smiley:

But…I did print and wire up a gate module for the 8 gate outputs:

Not much to it…but more than the next two modules since the DOUT board on this module will also feed the Trigger and Clock panels:

I’m entirely sure why I made this this wide…wasn’t really thinking too clearly. Probably because I’m planning on adding LED’s on these. But that’s kind of silly because I’ll have to reprint it for that anyway.

And here it is with the Analog out / line driver RX board:

So I’ve had a lot of fun today just playing with the whole setup now that I can use my keyboard and sequencer with the synth. But…I’ve just been using 1 CV/Gate since that was all I had hooked up until I went ahead and wired these gates. Now I have 4CV’s and 8 Gates wired up. (and 4 more CV outs waiting for me to wire them.)

And I’ve got the first two CV’s calibrated. But…before I dug in on calibrating 3 and 4 or wiring up 5-8 I wanted to play with two CV’s and gates.

But apparently I don’t understand the MIDI router as well as I thought I did. Because I can’t get CV2 to output anything.

It responds to the calibration menu so I know it’s working. But I can’t seem to direct anything to it. I went into the MIDI router and changed it so MIDI 1 should direct to CV2 from how I read it:

But…my keyboard (plugged into MIDI port 1 and sending on ch1) is still coming across on CV1.

And when I change the track to output on CV2 it stops coming out on CV1…but doesn’t show up on CV2.

So…it seems I’m misunderstanding some of the settings. I know the port IS CV2 since the calibration menu works as expected. And I know CV2 is working since the calibration menu works. It’s just…if I try to actually route anything to CV2 it doesn’t seem to be getting there. (and yes I tried changing that default port setting as well. That should only affect things that are routed to “DEF” and I’m not routing anything there right now. So as expected changing it didn’t have any effect.)

But…for now I’m going to try and finish wiring up CV 5-8 and calibrating 3-8 so I can get these mounted.

I’m also going to reprint the aout/cv panel again. I want to add labels on the jacks…and I want to add a spot for the power LED on the analog out board since it indicates the connection between the two line driver boards is active so it will be useful to have exposed. But I’m also thinking about eliminating the bi-polar buttons which will let me make the whole thing a bit more compact. Without the buttons I could mount the RS-232 vertically and put the CV’s all in one column. But…that breaks my personal labeling conventions - it probably wasn’t obvious on the gates panel by itself but next to my other panels it will stand out like a sore thumb to me:

All of my panels have the text starting 10mm from the top. They don’t need to…but that’s what I’ve been doing on all of them so far (my first panel, the avalanche VCO, was an exception…the main VCO label is at 10mm but it has the small “avalanche” label above that.) The problem is with 8 jacks stacked vertically and the top/bottom clearance I settled on for mounting rails (12.5mm from the top and bottom) to have enough spacing between jacks to not run into any problems my label had to be at 5mm from the top instead of 10mm. I could squish the jacks a bit closer together…but I’d really rather not. I could stagger them lik eI did on the CV panel…but I’m not that big on that either. So I need to sleep on this and debate just how much space I want to take up for all these jacks - especially since I doubt I’ll be using more than the first few 95% of the time. (The triggers when I get to them I expect to get more use though since they’ll be nice for drums.)

Oh well. At this point I’m just rambling to put off wiring up more jacks and twiddling more trim pots…so back to it!

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your modules look great , love that you are using a whole different approach to the face plate build . with all those wires coming and going it will be nice to have the extra room !

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Thanks! The extra space of Kosmo really appeals to me. I enjoy my neutron…but quickly get frustrated with patching it due to the tiny connections and labels. I don’t need reading glasses yet…but figuring out which jack is where on that thing sometimes has me thinking I might :laughing:

After I updated last night I was able to get a track to play on a different CV output. I remembered a video series from 3 years ago about the midibox sequencer and watched part of the video about CV’s:

The firmware has had some updates since then but it helped me figure out what I was doing wrong. Back then the outputs were labeled AOUT not CV1-4. Because back then it only supported a single analog output board. Now it supports up to 4. And suddenly the light when on.

Twiddling the knobs on mine it suddenly hit me that it was only showing CV1-4 even though I have 8. When it says CV1 it means analog output board 1. And then I need to use the channel to choose which CV on analog output board 1.

This table in the docs explains it but I misunderstood it:

Since I’m on a note track anything sent to “channel 1” will come out on CV1 and trigger Gate 1. If I change it to “Channel 9” then it will still output on CV1 and trigger Gate 1 - but it will also send velocity information to CV2 and trigger Gate 2. And channel 13 is like channel 9 but reversed.

So instead of setting the track to CV2 I needed to set it to CV1 and just change the channel to CV2.

But…trying the same thing in the mixer still isn’t working to direct my keyboard to CV2 while a track plays on CV1. So still need to figure that out. The keyboard seems to be locked to whatever output the current track is using. I think this may be because I might be in “Jam Mode” but…I haven’t even begun to read the docs on Jam mode yet (When I built this my only keyboard with midi only had USB midi and I didn’t have a notebook computer or room near my main computer to setup the sequencer and keyboard so I never used a keyboard with the sequencer until now.)

So I need to do some more research apparently. The more I learn about this sequencer the more I realize just how over the top crazy powerful it really is. And I already knew it was ridiculously powerful :smiley:

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More coming later…but…not great results but not horrible either for my first attempt in over a decade and with homemade etching solution from stuff in my kitchen:

They aren’t the prettiest traces - but they all check out with the ohm meter. There were three spots that needed a little bit of work with the xacto. And my board was slightly undersized so a few ground traces got cut off and would have to be done with bodge wires if I built this up…but…it should be usable.

More details on the processed I used later. The biggest two issues here were 1) The board I started with was a little undersized for this. 2) yusynths PDF’s are bitmap scans and they’re kind of noisy. Starting from proper gerbers in kicad or eagle would have given much better results. The 3rd issue is the toner transfer method I used didn’t work the best. But I’ve got some UV film to try - just waiting on laser printable transparencies (My local Staples wanted $75 for a box of 50. I’ll wait two days to get the same size box for $14 off Amazon thank you very much!)

Debating if I want to break out the drill press and PCB drills and try building this board up or if I should give it another try first…I know I can do better. But the quality of the images from yusynth are a big limiting factor on this particular board so I’m not sure it’s really worth improving the rest of the process. (it may be worth getting a slightly larger board and not having to re-create the cut-off traces.

More details on the full process later after my daughter is in bed.

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Ok, so slightly deeper dive in my first foray into DIY PCB fabrication in over a decade.

I don’t have a great history with making my own PCBs. My first attempts were in the 80’s with dry transfer pads, tape, and resist pens. Not only was it tedious and resulted in clunky layouts but I never had much luck with actually etching. I think the big problem was I never heated the ferric chloride I was using at the time. But the only boards I actually managed to get the copper to etch on - it also etched under my design leaving the boards useless.

In college in the 90’s I gave it a try again. This time I used pre-sensitized boards since I was working in a photo lab and had access to very nice (and in some cases highly specialized) enlargers, light tables, contact printing frames, laser printers with stocks of transparencies and other crazy imaging supplies. The lab was part of the Schools college of medicine and we were responsible for providing everything from headshots for professors to reproducing x-rays to slideshows to digital productions. We got to do a lot of neat crazy things and they had to be done JUST RIGHT since it was all medical training stuff. So I was able to get designs transferred to boards much more accurately. But I still didn’t have a lot of luck with etching - I did know to heat my etchant by this time…but still I tended to have a lot of undercutting.

In the early 2000’s I tried again since I now had my own laser printer and heard about the toner transfer technique. I had a hard time finding paper that worked well for the method though. I never really got a clean enough transfer to bother trying to etch anything.

Then I heard about alternatives to ferric chloride and got interested in trying to make some boards again…but…by then OHSpark existed and most of the things I was interested in building boards were available cheap so I never got around to it.

Now that I’m building all these modules I’m getting a little frustrated with strip board. I’m enjoying building with it. But having used EDA software for board layouts I’m a bit spoiled and find having to go from schematic to layout without the benefit of netlists and ratlines annoying. And I’ve had bad luck buying stripboard off Amazon (even though listed as stripboard and shown as stripboard in the photos both times I’ve ordered it what I got was just perf board with individual pads.) The stripboard from Tayda is nice…but their large board is still too small for a lot of @lookmumnocomputer and @EddyBergman’s layouts. A few of my modules I redrew existing designs just to make them more compact and get them to fit the boards I could find.

But I really want some PCB’s for bigger projects. The Clock Divider was kind of the last straw for me…I was able to fit it onto a Tayda large board…but just barely. And it should be a lot more compact. Just the limitations of stripboard made it bigger than I wanted. I could just order boards from JLC and such…and have (in fact just got 10 of @analogoutput’s buss boards today…I don’t need 10 but it was only a few bucks more to get 10 than 5 so I got more than I need so I can share.) JLC is fast and I’ve yet to be disappointed in the quality of any board I’ve got from them…and they’re cheap.

But I really don’t like having to deal with 4 extra boards on a lot of things. I can sell them…but I’m terrible about shipping stuff and just don’t like to deal with it if I can avoid it. They’re cheap enough I could just toss them…but I can’t bring myself to do that. And if there’s a mistake in the board that isn’t easily worked around…well then it was all just a waste.

So - decided I want to try making my own boards again.

The one big expensive item I have that makes this “easy” is a laser printer. And honestly it’s not a big expense. I gave up on inkjet and switched to laser around 2002. Ink is just too expensive and dries up too quick. Toner doesn’t go bad as it sits…and a refill lasts me YEARS and per-page is way cheaper than ink. Yeah…I can’t do color. But I seldom miss it. When I do need color I go to Kinkos or use the color laser we have at work. I get cheap $100 Brother lasers. My old one finally died after over a decade of use so in March of 2019 I got a new one. It’s a full muti-function with wifi and bluetooth so I can print from my phone and put the printer anywhere. It will scan to dropbox or google drive, prints quick, and still uses the same cheap toner cartridges my old printer did. And it still only cost me $100. The one thing it doesn’t have is a sheet feeder for the scanner. I still have an older canon inkjet that hasn’t had ink in it in over a decade that I keep around because it does have a nice sheet feeder that is handy when I need to scan a stack of documents.

But I’m getting off topic. The point is I much prefer laser printers over inkjets so I already have a laser.

I’m giving two methods a try. Toner transfer and UV dry resist. For the toner transfer I got some special paper designed just for it off Amazon. It’s only $8 for 10 sheets so not overly expensive. Plus they’re A4 sheets so you can fit a couple of boards on one sheet. But…you’ll either have to batch up a bunch of designs at once or cut it up into sizes you can sheet feed in your laser printer to make the most of it.

For the UV resist I ordered this roll off amazon $13 for a 30cm x 5m roll. Should last me a long time. And apparently it can be used both as a mask for etching and as a solder mask. So that will be fun to experiment with.

Today my bare PCB’s came (they were supposed to be here sooner but USPS decided to take them on a tour of Nevada before getting them to me.) and I was itching to try etching one. I hadn’t ordered any laser printable transparencies figuring I could just get them locally. But at walmart today doing my weekly grocery shopping I couldn’t find any. I did find a Scotch laminator for $21 which was cheaper than getting one off Amazon and may be helpful for some of these processes so I picked it up. I also stopped by Staples to look for transparencies but they wanted $75 for a box of 50 which was a bit ridiculous - apparently people are using them for DIY face shields so the prices are a bit inflated right now. Amazon had a box of 50 for $18 so I ordered those…but won’t have them until Tuesday.

So…with no transparency film the UV options were off the table for today. So let’s try the toner transfer.

I didn’t want to take time to draw up a schematic and board myself first so looked to see what may be out there than I’d like to build and has an open source PCB design available. I was going to try one of
North Coast’s projects since they share kicad sources…but…I can’t get them to open :frowning: Kicad keeps saying my version is out of date to open their files…but I downloaded the most recent version so I’m not sure what’s up there.

Yusynth shares PCB designs…but he only shares JPG’s and PDF’s. But they looked to be about the size of the bare boards I had and I do want an ARP filter so… decided to give it a try. The JPG seems kind of silly since trying to get a bitmap to print at just the right size is a pain. So I grabbed the PDF…did a test print on normal paper and confirmed that it printed at the right dimensions since IC sockets lined up with the pads.

So - I did a print on the special transfer paper through the manual feed slot in my printer. Even got it setup the right way up first try. I then realized that my boards were slightly shorter than the design…oh well - I expected a bunch of fail on this first try so wasn’t overly concerned with getting things just right. I taped the board to the transfer paper and then sent it through the laminator it’s 5mil setting. For good measure I then flipped it over and sent it through again…then did it once more on each side before I lifted the paper to see how the transfer did.

Well, it didn’t do great. I wasn’t surprised. Usually you have to hack these laminators and slow them down for this. Instead I got out my iron and IR thermometer. Dialed it in at 155c and just ironed it manually. That MOSTLY worked…but a few of the edges still didn’t transfer well. I kept trying more heat and more pressure in those areas but just wasn’t getting a full transfer. Oh well…first test…don’t even know if my etchant will work and some of the ground traces are off the board so…let’s not overthink this.

I peeled the paper off all the way and took a closer look. Most of it actaully transferred well. In fact…better than I was hoping. This was when I realized that the Yusynth files weren’t very clean and even the PDF was a bitmap. You can see the noise in the print on normal paper:

This actually IS the file not my printer. It’s hard to tell when you look at it on screen but that noise is there…it’s just lighter and less visible. It’s amplified in my print since I turned up the density on the print as far as it would go to make sure I got a good solid mask. Oh well. First try…experiments…let’s see how this goes.

I went over a few iffy traces with a sharpie to see if it would work as a resist and help with the more troubling spots. It didn’t hurt…but I’m not sure it really helped much. I don’t think it was very effective as a resist.

For the etchant I was debating two options. The first is Muratic Acid and hydrogen peroxide…I actually have almost a gallon of it on hand from when we had a pool 2 years ago. But that’s a bit more hassle to be safe with and I wasn’t sure if I still had it. So I decided to try the slower gentler option of Vinegar and Hydrogen Peroxide.

The solution is pretty simple 1:1 Vinegar and normal 3% drugstore Hydrogen Peroxide - then add some salt. I couldn’t find details on how much salt…the advice tends to be if the solution doesn’t fizz and react to the copper add more salt until it does. Heat does help it work more effectively as well so as a quick and easy test I turned on the heated bed on my 3D printer to 85c and put the tank on there - then in went my board:

It took about 12-15 minutes. Near the end it looked like there were spots that still weren’t etching, but I decided most of it was just the “noise” in the print and that it was time to stop.

I pulled it out and washed it off with lots of fresh water. Then wiped it down with some acetone to remove the toner.

For the most part it looked like the etch was pretty accurate…the big problem was the quality of the print I used as a mask:

I got out my multimeter and started probing traces. Surprisingly none of the iffy looking traces failed a continuity test. I did find 3 small bridges…I couldn’t see them…but the meter doesn’t lie. A quick cut with an xacto took care of them:

There are two bridges in that image. The two sets of 3 pads for two transistors each had a bridge. The top row the two left most pads were bridged and the lower row the two right most pads were bridged.

Not much of a difference…but it probes out ok now.

So it’s not a great board…but it’s a far better first attempt than I expected given my past experiences with etching boards. This board probably could be used. I’ll use it to practice my drill technique but don’t think I’ll actually build it. Maybe I will…but not really planning to yet. We’ll see how the drilling goes once I find my PCB bits.

I’m really looking forward to trying the UV resist. And working from some better imagery to start with. If I can’t find some kicad or eagle files for a small modular PCB I’ll make time later this week to design my own for something. I have a day or two while I wait for my transparency film anyway.

But overall - it worked better than I expected. I’m also curious about this product: https://www.pcbfx.com/main_site/pages/products/toner_foils.html

Apparently it’s foil which bonds to toner and gives a better mask. So instead of worrying as much about getting enough density out of the laser you can use this to ‘beef up’ the transfer. They also make a white version for a poor mans silkscreen. (and I wonder if the green could be used as a solder mask…though I’m also looking at trying some UV curable solder mask.)

I also have another method to try…which is actually the method that got me interested in trying my own PCB’s. Using a resin 3d printer to “print” a mask on the board directly. I’m curious to see how that will work out.

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No, YuSynth’s PCB images ARE very clean.
This is what the file looks like :


(OK there is that horizontal hairline…)

What you see is the halftoning your printer (or its driver) does.
Look in all sub-menus/tabs of the printing dialog if you have a way to force it to print in black&white, not grayscale.

(I’m a software developper working in the CGI domain for over 20 years…)

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