# Super Simple Oscillator LED and load **URL:** \ **Category:** DIY STUFF\ **Created:** [April 20, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405 "2021-04-20T19:13:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/1 "2021-04-20T19:13:56Z")
I’m building a “half century” of 50 “Super Simple Oscillators” and I’ve read though the other threads on issues and problems with it (I discovered on my own that the transistor in the schematic was backwards but that’s an important find!) but I still have two questions: 1. The LED does not actually do anything to the sound itself, correct? It’s just a pretty light as far as the circuit is concerned if I understand correctly. In my breadboarded versions nothings sounds very different even without the LED in the circuit. 2. Loading: I presume there is a drop in signal is when attaching two oscillators’ output together. Then a similar drop with 4 oscillators, then 8, 16, 32, and 64. For the complete instrument that might not be intolerable, but it also might be better to have a buffer of some sort. Or are most people just putting all the oscillators together on the same bus and going into an amplifier from there? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![fredrik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/fredrik/32/682_2.png) [@fredrik](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/fredrik)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/2 "2021-04-20T19:48:50Z")
> [@abellware](#): > > I discovered on my own that the transistor in the schematic was backwards but that’s an important find! It’s drawn from the bottom. Emitter towards plus (see [here](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/getting-the-super-simple-oscillator-to-oscillate/855)). > The LED does not actually do anything to the sound itself, correct? It’s just a pretty light as far as the circuit is concerned if I understand correctly. Well, it shows that the oscillator is oscillating. If the transistor doesn’t do anything, it won’t light up. > For the complete instrument that might not be intolerable, but it also might be better to have a buffer of some sort. You can add a simple summing mixer, see e.g. [here](https://www.lookmumnocomputer.com/projects#/mixer) for a 6-input mixer that you can expand to any number of inputs (mute switches and potentiometers are optional, the 100k summing resistors are required). ---
**Author:** ![analogoutput](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/analogoutput/32/29663_2.png) [@analogoutput](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/analogoutput)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/3 "2021-04-20T19:53:42Z")
The LED isn’t needed to make the oscillator work, but it does drop some voltage so affects the oscillator pitch, I believe. You can try breadboarding with and without the LED to see what the effect is. ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:41am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/4 "2021-04-21T04:41:41Z")
I’m not really worried about anything other than unity gain between all the oscillators. ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/5 "2021-04-30T20:03:18Z")
First five oscillators work! 😉 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/lookmumnocomputer/original/3X/d/d/ddb04a55fe9328fbb0948928cad5512557a63385.jpeg "Gnomus half-century (the first half-decade)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpKwU7R6qoI) ---
**Author:** ![Dud](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/dud/32/610_2.png) [@Dud](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Dud)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/6 "2021-04-30T20:24:44Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/cpKwU7R6qoI/maxresdefault.jpg "Gnomus half-century (the first half-decade)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpKwU7R6qoI) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/7 "2021-05-16T00:37:31Z")
More experiments. I thought the oscilloscope was in frame but um. Not so much. Sorry about that. Trying out mylar vs electrolytic capacitors. [Gnomus Half-Century avalanche part II - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rVCzLsqehU) ---
**Author:** ![Dud](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/dud/32/610_2.png) [@Dud](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Dud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/8 "2021-05-16T00:53:04Z")
You can put your video link in one line to incorporate it directely in the topic 🙂 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/lookmumnocomputer/original/3X/1/8/189543d79144909d154e1679d8f0533b95179290.jpeg "Gnomus Half-Century avalanche part II") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rVCzLsqehU) ---
**Author:** ![analogoutput](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/analogoutput/32/29663_2.png) [@analogoutput](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/analogoutput)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 12:57am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/9 "2021-05-16T00:57:51Z")
What @dud is demonstrating is that if you put the URL for the video on\_a\_line\_by\_itself then the forum software will embed the video in the post, so you don’t have to click away to YouTube to watch it. (Similarly, in many cases a link to a web site on a line by itself will turn into an embedded preview of that site.) ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/10 "2021-05-16T01:01:48Z")
Oh, thank you. I kept trying to embed and I just couldn’t figure it out. Thanks @Dud and @analogoutput ! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SYNTHGUY57](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/synthguy57/32/14422_2.png) [@SYNTHGUY57](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/SYNTHGUY57)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/11 "2021-05-16T06:23:23Z")
so what are your resistor values for the red and blue leds? Great unit love it. ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/12 "2021-05-16T14:56:57Z")
Thanks! I tried putting a resistor before the LED’s (I think one of them has a 1k still on it) but it doesn’t seem to make much difference – the voltage at the LED is about 3 volts no matter what I do (well, no, it’s lower with a resistor in front of it so what I mean is that as long as it’s below 5? volts I think I’m safe.) Most of the LED’s are only driven by one of the 5 oscillators in a given column. But some are driven by all of the oscillators. I haven’t burned out any LED’s yet. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/13 "2021-06-02T02:53:58Z")
And now it’s all wired. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/lookmumnocomputer/original/2X/4/43b6ae100c26a0208296dc987b8f714e18428355.jpeg "Gnomus Half Century all wired up") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEwWtP2oxs) Eventually I’ll do a deep dive with all the many errors and mistakes and oddities with it, and then one where I try to make music with it. ---
**Author:** ![abellware](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/abellware/32/14383_2.png) [@abellware](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/abellware)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/14 "2021-07-11T00:30:29Z")
Some early experiments: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/lookmumnocomputer/original/3X/e/3/e353422504f84c172e262a3e7ed0795d363fcd1f.jpeg "Gnomus "music" test") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuVcKOBFLeY) Man, I’m so happy this site and message board are here because I learned so much from this. ---
**Author:** ![Caustic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/caustic/32/15588_2.png) [@Caustic](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Caustic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/15 "2021-07-11T09:11:35Z")
“It wont stay in tune but its amusing, and amusement is why we are here”. This. Absolutely this. ---
**Author:** ![Dud](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/dud/32/610_2.png) [@Dud](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Dud)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 9:39am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/super-simple-oscillator-led-and-load/3405/16 "2021-07-11T09:39:41Z")
Nice work ! and yes fun and sounds 🙂 !!!