# Mutable Clouds Type Kosmo? **URL:** \ **Category:** KOSMO MODULES\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050 "2022-05-24T13:13:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/1 "2022-05-24T13:13:09Z")
Hello, Played around with Clouds a while ago and wondered if anyone had built anything like this for Kosmo or know of anything textural etc that might be comparable? ---
**Author:** ![BlackDeath](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/blackdeath/32/7644_2.png) [@BlackDeath](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/BlackDeath)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/2 "2022-05-24T15:04:05Z")
> [@My build progress](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/my-build-progress/345/4857): > > Kosmo Clouds adaption is almost done (some soldering of the big jacks is still on the todo) slight_smile Looks like it’s more of a eurorack board behind a kosmo panel? ---
**Author:** ![sebastian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/sebastian/32/39_2.png) [@sebastian](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/3 "2022-05-24T15:06:27Z")
Yes, I just replaced the panel 😉 but now it is a small jacks to big jacks converter as well! Such a versatile module! ---
**Author:** ![BlackDeath](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/blackdeath/32/7644_2.png) [@BlackDeath](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/BlackDeath)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/4 "2022-05-24T15:09:04Z")
Never used it, looks really cool but has a 75$ BOM, mostly SMD, and some hard to track down parts! Eeeesh ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/5 "2022-05-24T15:13:41Z")
ah i see, ever temped to swap the jacks out for 1/4 or is that a no go situation with these types of modules? ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/6 "2022-05-24T15:14:30Z")
Oh really? That is pretty steep for a diy kit but could be worth it. Where did you find the BOM? ---
**Author:** ![BlackDeath](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/blackdeath/32/7644_2.png) [@BlackDeath](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/BlackDeath)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/7 "2022-05-24T15:15:42Z")
[DIY Clouds PCB for your DIY Eurorack synth](https://www.amazingsynth.com/clouds-pcb/) (cool site, he posts here sometimes) sells boards chips and links to a mouser BOM There’s also a free version for VCV Rack… ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/8 "2022-05-24T15:16:03Z")
oooooh lovely!!! Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/9 "2022-05-24T15:17:39Z")
out of curiosity which parts are the hard ones to track down in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![BlackDeath](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/blackdeath/32/7644_2.png) [@BlackDeath](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/BlackDeath)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/10 "2022-05-24T15:18:56Z")
Some things in the BOM are out of stock, looks like the site sells them though ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/11 "2022-05-24T15:21:11Z")
cool, just reading about the drag soldering of the 64 pin chip as well, looks pretty full on! ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/12 "2022-05-24T15:31:21Z")
Anyone had a go at this one then? Any faceplates been thrown around. It is such a cool module!!! ---
**Author:** ![zorch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/zorch/32/5586_2.png) [@zorch](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/zorch)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/13 "2022-05-24T17:38:15Z")
Im looking at making a “Typhoon” - sort of an upgraded clouds. Ill try to find a link later on when I have time. > [@Mail Day Thread](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mail-day-thread/101/3409): > > I’m eyeing [this Typhoon PCB](https://pushermanproductions.com/product/typhoon-pcb/) ---
**Author:** ![Moseley](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/moseley/32/20644_2.png) [@Moseley](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Moseley)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 7:34am UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/14 "2022-05-27T07:34:00Z")
Oooooh nice! Thanks for this, def gonna try it as well ---
**Author:** ![Kelaifu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/46a35a/32.png) [@Kelaifu](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/Kelaifu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/15 "2022-05-31T13:41:09Z")
If youre going to attempt clouds or any of the more complex MI modules, you may be as well looking into getting JLC to place as many of the parts as possible. They won’t be able to fit the MCU chips and sourcing them is a very expensive challenge at the moment, but it’ll still be worth it if the PCB has dozens of 0402 or 0603 sized passives. ---
**Author:** ![zorch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/zorch/32/5586_2.png) [@zorch](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/zorch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/16 "2022-11-25T16:05:25Z")
I was doing some research and found that Clouds uses and strange sort of button that I dont think I’ve seen before. I’m trying to find something arcade sized to replace it. I have the proper R/G LED… but the switch itself is a little confusing. I have narrowed the button down to the N model of this: [https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/140/ESCHS00174\_1-2544309.pdf](https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/140/ESCHS00174_1-2544309.pdf) Can someone explain what is happening in the schematic? ![Screenshot_1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/lookmumnocomputer/original/3X/e/b/ebb24510feed9c7b6a40d5d93c3680504bc8d355.jpeg) I feel like 1 and 2 are normally closed with as well as 4 and 5 being the same way - but then when pushed 3 and 6 are closed on their respective sides as well? Or does it break the connection with 1 and 4 when pushed to instead flip over to the other side? I think I located it in the schmatic here: > **[clouds\_v30.pdf](https://bgr360.github.io/assets/pdf/mutable_instruments/clouds_v30.pdf)** > > 175.37 KB ![Screenshot_2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/lookmumnocomputer/original/3X/7/1/712e1a66469edae89c1465e2d357f751309a8d71.jpeg) Finding a microswitch that can handle this seems to be a tall order. ---
**Author:** ![analogoutput](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/analogoutput/32/29663_2.png) [@analogoutput](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/analogoutput)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/17 "2022-11-25T16:43:17Z")
> [@zorch](#): > > Can someone explain what is happening in the schematic? That’s a pretty horrible diagram, but I’d interpret it as DPDT: 2 and 5 normally connect to 1 and 4 respectively, but break those and connect 2 and 5 to 3 and 6 when pushed. That’s exactly what’s shown in the second schematic. LED terminals are separate, the LED does what you tell it to do. You can look for “DPDT micro switch” and see if anything turns up. ---
**Author:** ![zorch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/zorch/32/5586_2.png) [@zorch](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/zorch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/18 "2022-11-25T18:57:07Z")
Hooray! It means I was on the right track. So far I’ve only seen microswitches that are at most SPDT. The search continues. I suppose if I figure out how to get a single arcade pushbutton to activate two SPDT switches… ---
**Author:** ![eric](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@eric](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/eric)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/19 "2022-11-25T19:59:35Z")
If the schematics is the right one, the two poles are connected in parallel… so a single pole switch will perfectly do the job… and that’s nice, because that is what you usually have in an arcade button ! ---
**Author:** ![analogoutput](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/analogoutput/32/29663_2.png) [@analogoutput](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/u/analogoutput)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050/20 "2022-11-25T20:30:09Z")
Parallel switch poles, parallel resistors… I always suspected Gillet was from a parallel universe… [Next page](https://lookmumnocomputer.discourse.group/t/mutable-clouds-type-kosmo/5050.md?page=2)